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3:38 PM - 6 days ago#30381
Torquemada wrote: ↑
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I'm astonished about how sanguine some on here are about interpretation of the rules "as long as it's the same every time", whatever that means. VAR was supposed to remove subjectivity, leading to matters of fact. It's nowhere close to doing that in Scotland. We had two almost identical handball incidents preventing a possible goal one day apart - one led to an immediate red card, the other didn't even merit a booking.The old adage, "We interpret the rules for our friends, apply them to our enemies," is as pertinent post-VAR as it ever was.
As someone who has said the initial quote you suggested I take issue with what you’re are suggesting. I believe Soutter should have received a red for the denying of goal scoring opportunity but I don’t see it as identical to the one in Motherwell game as no one is going to have a different opinion on that . The Soutter one was way more subjective (var was never intended to take subjectivity out of football, fans might have said that but uefa fifa sfa didn’t) and if that is no longer being deemed a red then it’s fine as long as it’s not open to interpretation. Last season we didn’t even get a penalty for something ever close to Soutter handball. I want consistency and accuracy nothing more nothing less
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4:32 PM - 6 days ago#30382
Would like to see that Barron non penalty hand ball again.
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6:19 PM - 5 days ago#30383
Wailer wrote: ↑
4:32 PM - 6 days ago
Would like to see that Barron non penalty hand ball again.
Carbon copy of the Scales one , we knew at the time they'd be calling those ones as pens after that
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6:26 PM - 5 days ago#30384
green hornet wrote:
Wailer wrote: ↑
4:32 PM - 6 days ago
Would like to see that Barron non penalty hand ball again.Carbon copy of the Scales one , we knew at the time they'd be calling those ones as pens after that
That’s just not true. Scales’ arm is out much further than Barron’s was
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6:34 PM - 5 days ago#30385
Quiet Assasin wrote: ↑
6:26 PM - 5 days ago
green hornet wrote:Carbon copy of the Scales one , we knew at the time they'd be calling those ones as pens after that
That’s just not true. Scales’ arm is out much further than Barron’s was
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Was it out less that soapy souttar’ was?
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6:35 PM - 5 days ago#30386
Quiet Assasin wrote: ↑
6:26 PM - 5 days ago
green hornet wrote:Carbon copy of the Scales one , we knew at the time they'd be calling those ones as pens after that
That’s just not true. Scales’ arm is out much further than Barron’s was
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Hits his other arm across his body but Barron had his arm up as well
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6:38 PM - 5 days ago#30387
Barron's one reminded me of the one Penrice conceded against us.
Was then amazed ( ) that Hearts and their scumbag support took the opportunity to moan about it being comparable to Scales' in the first half rather than the one they never got on day one against the Huns. Barely a peep.
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4:11 PM - 4 days ago#30388
That looked very much like an obvious handball by Duk on the line.
They couldn't finish the game quick enough.
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4:13 PM - 4 days ago#30389
Need to see it from better angles. Suggestion it hits chest then may or may not hit arm, either way wouldn't be considered a handball offence as bounced off his own body. But I'm saying nothing for definite until I see it properly.
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4:15 PM - 4 days ago#30390
Hairytoes wrote:That looked very much like an obvious handball by Duk on the line.
They couldn't finish the game quick enough.
It certainly looked a stonewaller from my point of view. To be fair I think the officials today got most of the big calls right. I was expecting a lot less added time for example.
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4:17 PM - 4 days ago#30391
Drbud1986 wrote:Need to see it from better angles. Suggestion it hits chest then may or may not hit arm, either way wouldn't be considered a handball offence as bounced off his own body. But I'm saying nothing for definite until I see it properly.
That isn't a rule. Hasn't been for nearly half a decade now
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4:20 PM - 4 days ago#30392
KrnyBhoy wrote: ↑
4:17 PM - 4 days ago
Drbud1986 wrote:Need to see it from better angles. Suggestion it hits chest then may or may not hit arm, either way wouldn't be considered a handball offence as bounced off his own body. But I'm saying nothing for definite until I see it properly.
That isn't a rule. Hasn't been for nearly half a decade now
Covered in "unexpected ball" and uefa guidance would be no handball. But as I say, I've seen 2 crap angles at high speed so can't comment too much.
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4:49 PM - 4 days ago#30393
looked like handball to me but i'm biased. If it did hit his arm/hand it's surely a penalty. I understand the going to ground arm rule but he's saved it from going in - like having two keepers FFS.
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4:53 PM - 4 days ago#30394
I'm sure it was a handball, as were several Celtic players in the vicinity, and I also think Duk knows it was a handball
For VAR not to at least send Walsh to the monitor to have a look stinks to high heaven, and for him to blow for FT at that point instead of making sure was either cowardly, or sinister.
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4:54 PM - 4 days ago#30395
Drbud1986 wrote:
KrnyBhoy wrote: ↑
4:17 PM - 4 days ago
That isn't a rule. Hasn't been for nearly half a decade nowCovered in "unexpected ball" and uefa guidance would be no handball. But as I say, I've seen 2 crap angles at high speed so can't comment too much.
If your hand is an an unnatural position and it hits off another part of your body you can still be penalised.
That said the one angle I did see, I didn’t see it hit gus hand/arm
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4:57 PM - 4 days ago#30396
Quiet Assasin wrote: ↑
4:54 PM - 4 days ago
Drbud1986 wrote:
Covered in "unexpected ball" and uefa guidance would be no handball. But as I say, I've seen 2 crap angles at high speed so can't comment too much.If your hand is an an unnatural position and it hits off another part of your body you can still be penalised.
That said the one angle I did see, I didn’t see it hit gus hand/arm
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His arms were pretty tight in to his body. We're as well debating fairies just now though as we just don't have any good footage. 2 angles full speed is all I've seen. VAR presumably have more.
Also El Salto, Walsh can't choose to review it, only VAR can tell him to go to the monitor. If they say it wasn't a handball after review he needs to accept that, as that was his on field decision too. As it wasn't a penalty, FT whistle can then go (only prolonged for penalty), though I'd always advise against blowing when a corner is about to be taken.
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5:00 PM - 4 days ago#30397
For our disallowed goal, Johnston is stupid.
Strangely, though, the twice I can recall seeing goals like that being given were against Celtic (Dunfermline Scottish Cup Final) and for Sevco (Albion Rovers).
Weird.
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5:01 PM - 4 days ago#30398
It looked like a handball at the end but we need a better angle.
The Aberdeen disallowed goal was rightly ruled out, although tbh seems a harsh rule when he knew nothing about it.
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5:04 PM - 4 days ago#30399
Drbud1986 wrote: ↑
4:57 PM - 4 days ago
Quiet Assasin wrote: ↑
4:54 PM - 4 days ago
If your hand is an an unnatural position and it hits off another part of your body you can still be penalised.That said the one angle I did see, I didn’t see it hit gus hand/arm
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His arms were pretty tight in to his body. We're as well debating fairies just now though as we just don't have any good footage. 2 angles full speed is all I've seen. VAR presumably have more.
Also El Salto, Walsh can't choose to review it, only VAR can tell him to go to the monitor. If they say it wasn't a handball after review he needs to accept that, as that was his on field decision too. As it wasn't a penalty, FT whistle can then go (only prolonged for penalty), though I'd always advise against blowing when a corner is about to be taken.
Yeah mate, I know HE can't decide, but surely with a decision like that, an important incident, VAR should at least be saying "Have a look"
No slow motion replays of the incident have been shown, but in my opinion it was a penalty and the defending player knew it, judging by his celebrations when he got away with it.
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5:15 PM - 4 days ago#30400
lynch1888 wrote:It looked like a handball at the end but we need a better angle.
The Aberdeen disallowed goal was rightly ruled out, although tbh seems a harsh rule when he knew nothing about it.
His arm is stretched out and it hits it. If he’s a defender in his own box that’s a penalty all day. It’s hardly like it is one of those that just ricochets off his arm and goes in.
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